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29 January 2008
NEWSLETTER: Key Notes No. 25

2008: A fresh start

Welcome to the first edition of Key Notes for 2008. Over the coming months I will be laying out National's vision for New Zealand and the policies we believe will help New Zealand make a much needed step-change.

Today, I spoke at Ellerslie in Auckland about some issues that I consider to be vitally important for ensuring we achieve all we can as a nation. For the full text of my speech click here.

Asking the hard questions

I also challenged the Prime Minister to answer the questions Kiwis are really asking:

• Why, after eight years of Labour, are we paying the second-highest interest rates in the developed world?
• Why, under Labour, is the gap between our wages, and wages in Australia and other parts of the world, getting bigger and bigger?
• Why, under Labour, do we get a tax cut only in election year, when we really needed it years ago?
• Why are grocery and petrol prices going through the roof?
• Why can't our hardworking kids afford to buy their own house?
• Why is one in five Kiwi kids leaving school with grossly inadequate literacy and numeracy skills?
• Why, when Labour claim they aspire to be carbon-neutral, do our greenhouse gas emissions continue to rise at an alarming rate?
• Why hasn't the health system improved when billions of extra dollars have been poured into it?
• Why is violent crime against innocent New Zealanders continuing to soar and why is Labour unable to do anything about it?

Those are the questions on which this election will be fought.

Focusing on Youth 

The energy and enthusiasm of the vast majority of our young people make me hugely optimistic for our country. 

But the sad fact is a growing number of our young people are failing to deliver on their potential. 

This wasted potential is there for us all to see: teenage parents with no plans for their or their children's future; illiterate and innumerate school leavers; youth gangs prowling our neighbourhoods and sporadically dishing out beatings. 

National's Youth Plan

Today, I outlined some new policy that forms part of our plan for giving young people the future they deserve. 

National's Youth Plan is about giving young New Zealanders the opportunity and responsibility to better themselves, no matter what their circumstances, abilities, or track-record.

Youth Guarantee

National expects that all young people under the age of 18 should be in work, education, or training. 

National will provide a universal education entitlement for all 16- and 17-year-olds.  This will allow them to access, free of charge, a programme of educational study towards school-level qualifications. 

Most will continue their education at school.  However, the entitlement will allow 16- and 17-year-old school leavers to access education at a non-school provider if it can better meet their needs.  For example, a polytechnic, wananga, private training establishment, or industry training organisation.

Courses offered under the Youth Guarantee will have to meet strict quality criteria.

This new entitlement will be on top of, not instead of, the education entitlements young people have now.

Sixteen and 17-year-olds who are not working, and who fail to take up this new entitlement, will not be eligible to receive a benefit (except in special circumstances such as illness). Teenage parents will be specifically catered for.

Youth Justice

Alongside focusing on education, National will tackle the increasing problem of youth offending.

It's time to provide the Youth Court with a modern set of tools for getting teenagers out of the crime cycle.  We must act now to defuse these unexploded human time-bombs.

First, we are going to extend the jurisdiction of the Youth Court so it has the power to deal with 12- and 13-year-olds accused of serious offences.

At the moment, 12- and 13-year-olds accused of high-order crimes, such as aggravated robbery and home invasion, can be dealt with only by the Family Court. National thinks the Youth Court, with its wider range of powers, could play a much stronger role in getting these young offenders back on track.

New powers for the Youth Court

National will give the Youth Court the power to issue a new range of compulsory orders.  These will ensure we're going to get young people back on track before it's too late. We will back these orders up with funding for the relevant services.

• Parenting orders:  Parenting courses to address problems at home that may be contributing to a young person's offending. 
• Mentoring programmes:  Providing role models to young offenders for a period of up to 12 months.
• Drug and alcohol rehabilitation programmes:  Designated funding to help get young offenders sober.

Tougher Sentences 

National recognises that some young people have committed crimes so serious and so chilling that we must take drastic action:

• Longer residential sentences:  Up to six months in a Youth Justice facility.
• Fresh Start Programmes: Revolutionary, year-long, intensive programmes designed to instil discipline and address underlying causes of offending; including up to 12 weeks of residential training at, for example, an army base.
• Spotlight Sentences:  Non-compliance with court-ordered supervision contracts will result in electronic monitoring using an ankle bracelet. 

I look forward to keeping in touch throughout 2008,

Regards,

John Key

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Youth Plan Policy Summary
Youth Plan Backgrounder
Text of speech

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#1 - Richard Swaney 2008-01-29 16:02 - (Reply)

Some quality focus at last on our young New Zealanders that do not head to University, congratulations for that, you are on the right track. Senttancing and Prison though appears fairly gutless to me. In stead of longer sentances, make them pay for their stay by working! bring back the chaingangs to help build the roading, sewage and rail infrastructure. My hunch would be less repeat offending and a feeling of really paying for their crimes. Be brave, big changes are required.

#2 - Piet beukman 2008-01-29 16:05 - (Reply)

At last someone is starting to think about getting the youth of NZ into line. The laissez faire soft touch of Labor has created more problems than anything. Well done!

#2.1 - David 2008-01-29 21:34 - (Reply)

Since coming to NZ and becoming a parent and a NZ Citizen I have been nothing but amazed at how 'weak' and toothless the Govenment and their policies are in areas such as social justice & crime. It's time for change, real action, better access to education & training, and more & better policing. Of course, let's give young (and older) people a last chance to be productive and help them but for those who don't want or choose not to contribute to society then why should your average hardworking, taxpaying Kiwi support them through benefit handouts?

#3 - Shirley Henderson 2008-01-29 16:19 - (Reply)

Hi John or whoever clears these e-mails - I like what I am reading and your enthusiasm for our country. One question I have is - do you think we have the necessary people and structure in place to allow you to implement all these changes immediately if you are elected? If not, what is the time frame and expected time delay between the promises and action? Can I also ask, how will you deal with the painful high interest rates? The strategy has worked to cool the housing market but it's making hard working people sweat blood on their mortgages. What can you do? Appreciate your taking the time to reply. Shirley Henderson

#4 - David Miller 2008-01-29 16:29 - (Reply)

In the context of helping young people and numerous suggestions for honouring Ed Hillary's memory, how about this. Take all year 10 students in NZ (the old 4th form) into the bush for a month - and provide them with Outward Bound/Outdoor Pursuits Centre type training. A huge investment that would differentiate NZ'ers from other countries and maybe, just maybe, turn around some of the negative social trends we're all concerned about.

#5 - Pablo de Figueiredo 2008-01-29 16:34 - (Reply)

All these questions are correct. • Why, after eight years of Labour, are we paying the second-highest interest rates in the developed world? • Why, under Labour, is the gap between our wages, and wages in Australia and other parts of the world, getting bigger and bigger? • Why, under Labour, do we get a tax cut only in election year, when we really needed it years ago? • Why are grocery and petrol prices going through the roof? • Why can't our hardworking kids afford to buy their own house? • Why is one in five Kiwi kids leaving school with grossly inadequate literacy and numeracy skills? • Why, when Labour claim they aspire to be carbon-neutral, do our greenhouse gas emissions continue to rise at an alarming rate? • Why hasn't the health system improved when billions of extra dollars have been poured into it? • Why is violent crime against innocent New Zealanders continuing to soar and why is Labour unable to do anything about it? Why won't labour stand up and say yes we have done wrong and we will try to fix the problem / problems. I like the way National stands and the way John sounds so reassuring.

#6 - Kevin O'Brien 2008-01-29 16:36 - (Reply)

This is the right direction and you need to keep the pressure on Labour in these areas - for too long they have interferred in the day to day affairs of middle NZ who are an easy target but have not done the hard yards in terms om many of the delinquents who make us feel unsafe in Public, vandalse our assets and leave you with fear for your young children who will soon be exposed to them directly. This need to be addressed stronly with minimal consideration for the offender and maximum consideration for the victim.

#7 - colin 2008-01-29 16:44 - (Reply)

Great stuff John. see Helen is all ready to go to the sevens.

#7.1 - Robert James Walker 2008-01-29 17:31 - (Reply)

A change MUST come and one labour / Winstone sronghold is pensioners . Can their voting passage change , how can we do it ????????

#8 - Ken Anderson 2008-01-29 17:03 - (Reply)

It is about time someone did something about the youthful layabouts we see everyday. They have no ambition to better themselves and know that they will be paid to layabout. They wander around looking for mischief to carry out knowing that, if caught, there will be very little done about their misdemeanours. As the future government you need to get even tougher!

#9 - Lee Mathias 2008-01-29 17:04 - (Reply)

Excellent start to the year. Please include further ideas on cross sectoral interventions. Labour went on about improving the relationships - especially between health and social services- but we haven't seen much of it. Thank goodness your government will capitalise on the strengths of the private sector. Go well.

#10 - Maureen Sudlow 2008-01-29 17:12 - (Reply)

Like your questions. What are the answers? I would really like to see some tax and interest relief for lower income workers, otherwise the best will leave for Australia. Like the idea of more training for youth. They don't value themselves if they get paid for doing nothing.

#11 - Peter Tucker 2008-01-29 17:16 - (Reply)

Our youth problem has been escalating with no resposibilty or accountability on the part of many. The removal of corporal punishment in schools some years ago has lead to schools being unable to controll certain individuals and so some youth just thumb their nose at the law. Hit them early-no second chances. Parents should be held accountable for youths still in education or under 20 and not working, and if they are unable to controll them a system where they can ask for assitance when problems start to show. Parents bought them into this world so should be accountable for their control and giudance up to a specific age/situation. The problem starts in the home so that would wake up their ideas.

#12 - steve 2008-01-29 17:17 - (Reply)

The answers to Some of those questions are directly driven by market forces (which National endorse) , world effects (we have no hope of changing) and agreed policy (reserve Bank act). So JUST WHAT IS national going to do about those? Still waiting .......... While at the same time we already lock up too many people at vast expense. It seems we are locking up the WRONG people! So how is National going to fix that?????? Waiting... and getting our Carbon footprint smaller involves Public Transport, more freight by rail, more wind turbines, banning incandescent light bulbs and banning std hot water cylinders, building fewer roads....I can really see National doing that! or perhaps they will if they want the Greens support. go on.. do it john, dare you!. 9.1% +Nationals support would get you elected....

#13 - Paula said:
2008-01-29 17:26 - (Reply)

John, As a childcare consultant, who gets results applying the opposite to Labours philosophies, seeing their philosophies have indoctrinated our education, teaching, and basically 'all' areas with the left liberal doctrine, how do you intend to build on the right foundations, with the currently trained/indoctrinated people.

#14 - dad4justice said:
2008-01-29 17:33 - (Reply)

I applaud this new initiative for our troublesome youth. Well done, because you have struck at a core issue that Labour unfortunately has turned a blind eye too. It’s encouraging that the Principal Youth Court Judge Andrew Beecroft is behind your common sense proposals, as one only has to look at any District Courthouse during office hours to see the large numbers of delinquent’s that cluster the docks .

#15 - David 2008-01-29 17:39 - (Reply)

As the peition for a CIR on repealing the anti smacking legislation approaches the trigger point, the *ONE* thing we want to know above all else (including the answers to the above questions) is this: Will National commit irrevocably to the repeal of this anti smacking legislation? Youth plans are rather pointless when good and decent parents are criminalised for using one of the proper methods for disciplining their children and raising them to be law abiding citizens.

#16 - katherine 2008-01-29 17:42 - (Reply)

Great speech! At last a party that has a real plan to address the youth offending issue. I have been a labour voter, but on just what I have read today, I will now vote national at the next election. The youth of our country have been my main focus and I have been saddened that they have been left to flounder in the system for so long. Great work John, and good luck.

#17 - Mahendra de Alwis 2008-01-29 17:53 - (Reply)

What would a national Government do to seriously adr the Drugs situation. Drugs such as P, Extasy etc? If we cannot control this with only 4 million people, it is a disgrace.

#18 - Trina Harrison 2008-01-29 19:10 - (Reply)

Been watching you tonight on TV1 John and thrilled to see your vision. The youth are a huge concern to my husband and I especially having a 5 and 7 yr old and living on the Nth Shore. Keep it up.

#19 - David Thomson 2008-01-29 20:50 - (Reply)

Mr Key, Unfortuinately you earn an "A" for effort; but a D+ conceded for content. I continue to have the uneasy feeling that you are just "Labour-lite"; that rather than tackle the secular-progressives head-on, you appear to want to gain their approval by acquiescing to their notion that they have the NZ public brainwashed into thinking that Labour and its social agenda can only be shifted slightly back to the centre. Come on, Sir, show some intestinal fortitude and some real leadership by building an electoral coalition that can sweep away this effete house of cards. What we are looking for is genuine LEADERSHIP; and we will respond generously when and only when we see gumption from you Stop listening to your spin doctors and connect with the heartland.

#20 - Gary Kendall 2008-01-29 21:22 - (Reply)

Ref your Youth Education policy, and the apparent truancy rate etc., I don't know how this would be received in N.Z., but I personally think that it is worth investigating. My wife is from Ukraine, and was a teacher there. The Headmistress had the legal authority, and used it occasionally, to summon parents of disruptive students to sit in the class all day to control their offspring, thus allowing the teacher to get on with the real task in hand. Before we were married, I visited her in Ukraine several times, and was regularly co-opted as the Native Speaker in the school English classes. The class discipline was very impressive. Would such powers be acceptable in N.Z. where, it seems, authority is to be flouted at every turn?

#21 - Roland Green 2008-01-29 21:59 - (Reply)

Re. Ellerslie speech by John Key. The propositions addressing youth concerns sounds promising. I look forward to hearing more detail and will be checking in with Jacqui Dean to hear of progress. As a School Chaplain, I would be happy to give consideration to assisting in the Oamaru area. Regards.

#22 - Jim McLennan 2008-01-29 22:12 - (Reply)

John I see you are still pursuing the "man made global warming scam. Have you not read the letter signed by the 100 scientists to the UN Secretary General speaking out against this stupidity. Are you unaware that the World has been cooling since 1998. I suggets you have a look at www.itsascam.co.nz Please consider this matter very carefully before you commit NZers to a ruinous course of actions which will cost them billions and achieve NOTHING!!!

#23 - Mike McColl 2008-01-30 00:40 - (Reply)

John, Thoroughly enjoyed your speech tonight as seen on TV3 re youth problems & your ideals for resolve. Dont read notes......It is better from the heart where I know it is coming from. Rgds Mike M

#24 - ray 2008-01-30 06:21 - (Reply)

well done Mr Kay

#25 - David Phillips said:
2008-01-30 06:53 - (Reply)

While the intentions are great, implementation may be difficult. We are now in a world where governments can apparantly interfere with our daily lives on a regular basis but do little to *improve* it. If you want some 'starter' ideas how about these: Remove the smacking bill : depower Baycorp's effect on credit/borrowing capabilities; reduce interest rates; take away the intent to criminalise anyone who *steps out of line* (road/parking fines - travel overseas; late payments - Baycorp etc.) Having served this country for over 40 years in business, community work and now health, it is appalling that beauracrats have so much control over how we are allowed to conduct our personal enterprise and expertise. It is time to open up new perspectives on who we are and where we are heading, By all means start with the young but keep in mind those many hundreds of thousands of us who are now *serviced* by Telecom from India, Credit cards from Indonesia and no doubt more foreigners in the future telling us how to conduct our financial business in a time of "pay the piper". Oh yes - we pensioners would also like a break - perhaps a few extra quid to cover petrol ever increasing costs.

#26 - Rob Blaikie 2008-01-30 08:20 - (Reply)

Congratulations National on some clear goals that are focused on positive change. Having worked with young people for many years I know many of your plans will be successful such as mentoring programmes. It is also vital that these are there for the young people that are just starting to waiver and not only for those that have already tumbled off the tracks. The other area of vital importance is to not waste time with initiatives that research proves don't work such as boot camps with certain groups of young people. I would certainly hope that extensive research is carried out to look at what has and hasn't worked in the world in regards to correcting problem behaviours. I'm sure when this is done you will weed out the type of initiatives that will waste tax payers money and poor money into qualtiy strengths based inititatives that are proven to be effective and are relevant to our NZ young people. Once again well done with this important focus on young people and I'm glad we have a Ministry of Youth Development that will back these positive approaches. One question, with this new focus for National, will you look to have a Minister of Youth Affairs as part of your team when you govern in Parliament?

#27 - Stephen Bray. 2008-01-30 08:55 - (Reply)

Ata whakarongo ake e moko, Ki enei korero o ou matua tupuna I haere tawhiti mai ki tata. {Listen carefully moko to these the words of your parents and grandparents that have come here from afar.} The only way you can achieve your objectives is by empowering the Community and there involvement. When you implemented Safer Community Councils it stopped a lot of “tagging” and other elements of Youth boredom by bring all community groups together. Now many Safer Community Councils are only neighborhood watch groups run by good meaning people who can only report to the overloaded Police. Lets stop knee jerk reactions and canvas our communities for their input for what is good for your Cities is not necessary good for our rural communities. No reira he mihi kia koe kia koutou hoki hei whakaohooho te hinengaro o tätou te iwi mäori. Ma të Atua e manaaki e tiaki.

#28 - Rex OConnor said:
2008-01-30 09:02 - (Reply)

I would give total support to the youth plan when I could see the implementation of that plan. for that plan to be any good we must have a systemn were the young persons who ar not going to university must have access at no cost ,excepting looking after their food, clothing and living expenses, to meaningful training for the necesary jobs of builder, mechanic Drain layering painting plumbing and othere necessary trades that society cant do withoout. All the above should on passing have a certificate to prove they excelled. If you fail the tests tough luck only you are to blame, not society. If youths are off the rails under school leaving age,what ever that age is, then the parents should be held to blame and wether the parents are married or single parents has no bearing on the matter

#29 - Christina Tynan 2008-01-30 09:24 - (Reply)

It is very interesting reading your Key notes, And I agree with all you say, But!! we have heard so many words from politicians and once they get into power not a lot is done. You are young and full of energy this is on your side. Our Country is going backwards, Look at our children and young people, They steal, robb,rape, murder. These days there are not the values we had as children. Children don't no any longer what it is to hurt. The day of the Parents being Parents has gone, and Politicians are running families lives. That is the problem. Parents are scared to be Parents. Please Help

#30 - Moira Forsyth 2008-01-30 09:44 - (Reply)

I would like to suggest that National also look at younger children - the principals of every primary school can tell you already who are the likely offenders in a few years time - the intervention needs to be as early as possible and it is probably the parents of these kids who need intervention - parenting skills, reality checks, whatever it takes. Spend the money early at that level and save the taxpayer from supporting long prison terms later instead.

#31 - Karel W Adriaens 2008-01-30 09:54 - (Reply)

Your ideas are like mine. In particularly military education. But do what you say and we will get a better NZ. Wishing you succes Karel Adriaens

#32 - Jeremy Ball 2008-01-30 10:00 - (Reply)

Hi John As a teacher I applaud the initiatives that you are planning, I hope that you will consider the issues teachers will have to deal with to ensure the troubled youth can be focus on making the most of the opportunities they will be given. I find it interesting that Ms. Clarke intends on raising the school leaving age to 18 and intends on increasing trade type courses. Labour have obviously forgotten that Mr. Mallard drove many of the skilled trade teachers out of teaching with the G3 issue. Technology departments in schools would undoubtedly have to create these courses yet this is the area which is in crisis I wonder if the profession will be consulted!

#33 - Eric Pickering 2008-01-30 10:25 - (Reply)

"With the collapse of the traditional family mass fatherlessness is the single most important factor behind our epidemic of angry, increasingly unsocialised and criminal children." melanie phillips.com Daily Mail Jan 21 The same applies in this country and paying uneducated adolescent schoolgirls to have babies many of which end up fatherless is not the answer. The short answer is that you need to get the traditional family back on track. Thanks E. Pickering.

#34 - John Chant 2008-01-30 11:45 - (Reply)

A good start on addressing the national malaises John. Clark's intention to hold kids in school until 18 will come back to haunt Labour. Effectively she is saying 'I can't solve the youth problem, let's lumber the overloaded teaching staffs with the problem instead' - absolutely gutless and morally bankrupt! Those malcontents over the school-leaving age of today will just create more mayhem and disruption which will jeopardise the education of those who want to learn and progress. One other point. The judiciary needs to be got together and given benchmarks for sentencing that are evenly and fairly applied. 'Soft' judges must be brought into line or dismissed from the bench. Home detention, which I deplore, should only be applied where the criminal cannot enjoy home life and carry on criminal activity by proxy. My own view is that if custodial sentences are appropriate then they should be applied. The lack of prison space should not be a factor in sentencing. That is a matter for the state to address, not the judiciary. Let's win in 2008. Bring it on! JAC.

#35 - max wagstaff 2008-01-30 11:52 - (Reply)

I have been listening to the continued rhetoric for as long as I can remember. All throw up their hands in horror as another murder or vicious crime is in the community. We continue to disempower honest law abiding citizens. Our police force is reactive not proactive.The media sensationalises criminals and trivialises petty crime. Education is the answer but political dogma undermines old proven values.Not every child is academic or aspires to be a doctor ,lawyer or accountant.Nor every child aspires to be a graduate engineer or architect.However in this so called upwardly mobile society there is still a mind set that trades are somehow demeaing. Bring back technical skills training and aprenticeships.Tailor student loans to get young men and women into skills they are good at and trades that are usefull to our society as a whole. To those who think this is not a valid argument remeber it when next you need a builder,plumber ,mechanic ,electrician or a technician of any kind.

#36 - Barbara Docherty 2008-01-30 12:25 - (Reply)

Hello John I applaud the courage in your speech. Interesting to note that a large number of political commentators had only positive responses to make (a bit of a rarity if we look back in history and note media responses to ZELRYopposition speeches)

#36.1 - Nathan McCluskey 2008-01-30 12:52 - (Reply)

That's because John is saying sensible things. However, in 1990 National campaigned on a basis of using education for youth to attack the root cause of social problems, but after 9 years in power one might have asked the same questions in 1999 that John Key poses to Helen Clark - i.e. Why is one in five Kiwi kids leaving school with grossly inadequate literacy and numeracy skills? and Why is violent crime against innocent New Zealanders continuing to soar and why is National unable to do anything about it? These problems are not new and neither is National's panacea.

#37 - Grant Philpott 2008-01-30 14:10 - (Reply)

No policy will work if academics continue to control the education system. In fact we no longer have an education system, we have an academic industry. Any student who does not follow the autistic attitude of the academic mind has little chance of an "education". Academics are trying to remove the practical side of technology education and as I recall, around 80% of technology teachers have never worked in industry. I remember being told by a more senior technology teacher- That I shouldn't sit with my students as they worked on projects, giving them advice from my experience in industry. I was supposed to stand at the front of the room, hand out materials and make sure the students did not hurt themselves. Students are the teachers apprentices. Teachers with an academic background can only train more academics. Unless the selection, training and employment of teachers is radically changed there is no hope for many children.

#38 - Ian Harvey 2008-01-30 14:39 - (Reply)

Good ideas, John. They are not only sensible in their own right but will also hit the right buttons with people who are not normally National supporters. One or two of the respondents above have hit on a further point that should be addressed in your follow-up speeches and interviews. You need to point up the answers to the list of questions you have asked of Labour. Ask each question again and then go on - it is because Labour has ........ This will underline the power of analysis that your team brings to these matters. Secondly, I would like to back up something that one of the Herald commentators raised recently. You need to put work into your demeanour, speech and expression, both verbal and facial. It is very important to portray an impression of gravity and even severity at appropriate times. You need to look and sound like a serious leader as well as a really nice guy!

#38.1 - Kevin 2008-01-30 21:49 - (Reply)

I disagree. I think John is really trying to heal the gaping wounds that the last 9 years have opened up There is so much anger that is out there in middle NZ and I think to try to reach common ground is the appropriate action and only sustainable answer. Having said that there were 2 interviews on breakfast this week where I think you could have quietly but assertively gone further in decisive policy statements. 1. On Monday you were interviewed about the ability of the economy to stand a recession. It was not until you got to the last sentence that you got to the crux of the matter - "Labour has failed to future proof the economy". This point should have been made first and the rest of the interview should have been about lavour's dismal failure to use the good economic years to deliver us a high tech, production based economy instead of basing it on selling of our assets such as land, businesses and smatest people. This election is going to be about sustainability of NZ. But to have environmental and social sustainability you need economic sustainability. Only national can deliver economic sustainability because only national has the broad based trust that it will deliver it fairly on a level playing field. 2. This morning the interview about youth and crime issues went very well, but the last question was a gift "Are you going to be a Prime Minister with a zero tolerance for crime?" The answer should have been "YES, I am".

#39 - Jenny 2008-01-30 16:17 - (Reply)

BRING BACK C.M.T. (for both males/females) BRING BACK THE THREE R'S IN SCHOOLS NZ HAS BECOME TOO PC, SOFT, MINORITIES RULE GET A LOT TOUGHER ON CRIMINALS ETC

#40 - Ted Hutchison 2008-01-30 18:07 - (Reply)

Look John, i agree with every thing you are suggesting, you are only one though so do you think you could push things through, make it 2years in the forces and stick to it. Made me a better person, regards Ted

#41 - Kevin 2008-01-30 18:43 - (Reply)

What about a review/royal commission on the judiciary? The budget for the Ak police district is $61M. how muchis the budget of the judiciary cyfs and other social institutes in the same area? From steadfastly refusing to lock repeat violent offenders up on preventative detention, letting people run up 40-200 convictions down to it costing the public $50K just for a simple resource dispute decision the whole system is totally dysfunctional.

#42 - Scott Morland 2008-01-30 21:42 - (Reply)

John, There are a number of Key issues that desparately need addressed in this country. I like where you are coming from at this stage. I have been a victom of Youth crime and my experience of youth crime being the saga that it was is too long a story for this forum. What I can say is that the system SUCKS BIG TIME! Go for it John but I still feel you are being light. The health system John needs sorted. Again I speak from experience. I am a big tax payer and with superior medical insurance, I still have to fork out a number of thousand dollars to cover a drug to assist in my procedure for a medical condition. Referral letter written to the correct authorities to pursue public health support nearly 5 months ago has not seen a reply.. I will fork out the money John but I am angry and feel betrayed by a substandard system... I have never asked in all my 12 years in NZ for any help.. I ask for help now and its not there.. Health system = CRAP Young working families.. (The genuine ones) - Need more help with family assistance whilst they try and get ahead.. I work beside hard working people in good jobs as such but with youg families and wife at home there is no incentive to get out and work because not enough support... John, I have been a labour man for a few years now and don`t get me wrong.. I believe they have done some good things... but just not enough.. As it stands at this stage, you have my vote... we need change, fresh ideas to move forward with and you need a chance.. At the end of the day you need to take the chance given if succesful and if you can`t deliver then the voters speak when the time is right. Good luck John. My vote is with you... I feel change is needed. regards Scott Morland

#43 - Chrissy said:
2008-01-31 08:16 - (Reply)

Congratulations on being the only politician with a brain between his ears. Most of the youth of today have been pampered so much that there is no accountability for one's actions. I totally agree with your stance on the youth problem. Well done. You have my vote.

#44 - Judy 2008-01-31 10:29 - (Reply)

Congratulations Mr Key. At last some sense and direction coming from a politician. My only concern is when it comes to youth offending, is that the judiciary make the final decision on sentencing any offender. At this point I'm sure that we can all quote 100s of cases where the decisions made by the judges are just ridiculous and totally out of touch with what is needed. Either laws need changing or the judges need changing.

#45 - david 2008-01-31 14:02 - (Reply)

the reason why nz and aus have the highest interest rates in the world is because our dollars are some of the cheapest in the world and our govts policy of allowing any non resident foreigner to buy residential property has made property unaffordable and a massive influx of foreign capital. you cant have a free market (global) economy when our dollar is of such little value, we will be plunded by europe and the states and we will loose our identity, ban all non resident foreign purchasing of residential property and rural property.

#46 - Alan Miller 2008-01-31 15:47 - (Reply)

Well done Mr Key. Please don't water down your suggestions or go soft. We, the general New Zealanders need some strong leadship and I think you are the man to do it. I like your stand on youth education, youth crime etc. and I believe it is time to make it easy for youths to get into apprenticeships and training etc to help build up our work ethic and qualifications again. On crime, there are two things I and probably a lot of New Zealanders would like to see and that is; one, you can double the prison population tomorrow if you put bunks in each cell and two, bring in a law that repeals concurrent sentances. Please make them consecutive. I will follow with interest your speeches. Thanks and goodluck.

#47 - Sally Shirkie 2008-02-01 11:09 - (Reply)

I want to know what National is going to do about the chronic illegal drug problem in new Zealand as a mother of 3 sons having worked in the hospitality industry in NZ for the past 40 years I have watched the drug epidemic grow out of control affecting a large number of people of all ages. I also would like to know what Nationals policy is in regard to unmarried mothers are you going to continue giving them hand outs which are no bloody help to them at all. Make them responsible for their own actions and suffer the consequences or are you just going to carry on down the track with all this PC bullshit. Will you reinstate the cane/strap in schools that wish to do so? The majority of parents would opt to send their children to these schools. Will you bring back some form of compulsory military training that is the only hope for some of the children from disfunctional homes that now have five generations of mainly maori families on benefits? Sally Shirkie

#47.1 - Kevin 2008-02-01 16:40 - (Reply)

One of the major problems is that we have fostered this idea of education for education's sake t a ridiculous extreme. Consequently when graduates come our of university they feel they are too good for border patrol and expect to get an office, destk and that latest PC writing "border protection protocols" or "risk analyses" or soothsaying about if the number of drugs getting trhough the borders now is x and climate change is y then the number of drugs getting through in 10 years time will be z. "Policy analysts", whatever the hell they do have got it so wrong on so many occasions that it is hard to take them seriously any more. where are the "policy analysts" who analysed the introduction of the universal entitlement to the DPB now? Nowhere, certainly not moppong up the mess that has been caused. If we want to solve many of the social problems there are two things we need to do: 1. Long term - Move to a sustinable economy becuae you can't have environmental and social sustainbility without it 2. Short term - Boot the bureaucrats and replace them with front line troops who must meet drug reduction (or whatever) targets. A yearly sinking lid target must be placed on all of these social problems so that even these front line troops realise they are on notice that they will be eventually redundant but there will be great employment opportunities for them in the new sustainable economy.

#48 - Ralph Penno 2008-02-01 17:04 - (Reply)

Hi John, Some great ideas re the current problems with young people. As a couple who have cared for abandoned kids for the past 15 years, I would like to see some initatives from you in regards to realistic financial support for those of us who are being the fence at the top of the cliff. Particularly for those of grand parent age who are literally left holding the baby. And for something quite different, what initiatives have you up your sleeve to sort out the carbon credits fiasco, particularly in relation to small privately owned and managed forestry? Ralph

#49 - Nick Pagonis 2008-02-01 22:16 - (Reply)

Whilst tax cuts are a hot topic this year I think National could really drive the point home by taking the example of someone on the average wage when labour came to power in 1999 and show what percentage of their income was paid in tax. Then show that persons wage growing at the rate of inflation and how they pay a greater percentage of their total income in tax due to the rigidity of the tax brackets. If inflation has averaged 3% a year over the past nine years then the average wage earner would move into higher tax brackets and pay more tax. The Governments arguement that tax cuts will lead to inflation needs to be debunked. The reality is that New Zealanders have become poorer because there has been no change in the tax brackets when over the past nine years wages have probably risen 30% compoonding. The tax adjustments are mearly a redress for the thieving the Labour government has done in the past nine years. Regards Nick Pagonis

#50 - Kevin 2008-02-02 11:47 - (Reply)

If you can't sell politically a flat tax rate (not a flat tax - high earners still pay more) then how about allowing people to spread their income over their dependents. That means that one partner could choose to stay home and people would get more money in their time of need like bringing up children, looking after a disabled or elderly relative, etc. It would also help with unemployment because more people would opt to stay at home to raise children, stay in training or at school etc instead of racing our to get a job. It could also help with crime by encouraging parents to stay together and one to stay at home to care for the kids in those critical years.

#51 - Greg Giles said:
2008-02-02 14:19 - (Reply)

I think the current reaction to youth crime n issues of staying at school is just a bit of media hype, studies in Britian have found flaws in keeping kids in school longer that they are able to be. Whats the rational here its not like we have soring unemployments rates. I have reintered the workforce after a absence ogf 15 years due to a serious injury i have a b/a after three years i am now just under the $38000 tax threshold so I wont be any more productive than I am now; wheres the incentive to be productive? Can Mr Key ask Helen n Cullen why we should work more when they penalise us for doing so, isnt that a oxymoron? wage rise suck, sick leave sucks holidays aint enough compared to the rest of the oecd countiries. really why would talented people want to come here. Its not adding to the productivity of the economy n taxation raise gst to 18% cut wage to those earning 80gs no secondary tax people will work more think outside the square

#52 - Kevin 2008-02-02 15:23 - (Reply)

Above all we need to a create an economy where smart, hard working entrepreneurial people can earn a good living without being dishonest and screwing other people. That is the real long term challenge. A revised, simplified and totally transparent tax system would go a long wa to promoiting this. At present the "subsidised low wage workforce" system is counter productive and a disincentive to work hard. The subsidies are totally non-transparent, depending on far too many factors and those lucky enugh to get into a subsidised house don't have this added to their IR12 and therefroe statistics at market rents so it can be seen fairly how much resource they are getting. We now spend $3-4 bil I think in the 2006 year on "indirect assistance" = indirect subsidiers in the social welfare budget.


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