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11 August 2008
NEWS: National focuses on work in Benefits Policy

National's Benefits Policy will have an unrelenting focus on getting beneficiaries into employment, says National Party Leader John Key. 

"National is committed to a benefit system that is a genuine safety net in times of need.  We also recognise that many people on a benefit will never be able to work because of illness or disability," Mr Key said today in a speech.

"National is going to have an unrelenting focus on work.

"Paid work is the route to independence and well-being for most people and is the best way to reduce child poverty.  Long-term welfare dependency locks people into a life of limited income and limited choices.

"National will extend the part-time work obligation to two groups of beneficiaries – DPB recipients, once their youngest dependent child is aged six or over, and people on sickness and invalid benefits who have been assessed as being able to work part-time.  About 5,600 sickness and invalid beneficiaries have been categorized as capable of working right now.

"These beneficiaries will be required to spend at least 15 hours per week in employment, training, or job-seeking activities.

"National will not be introducing a 'work for dole' or 'community wage' scheme.  Instead, we will be going one better and will focus on long-term unemployed by requiring them to get paid work and get off the benefit.

"Within 12 months of taking office, National will require everyone who has been on the dole for more than a year to re-apply for their benefit and undergo a comprehensive work assessment.

"All long-term unemployment beneficiaries will be required to do what it takes to secure employment.  This may include practical training, attending a basic skills course, or attending drug and alcohol rehabilitation. 

"After that, they will be required to actively look for a job, go to any job interview they are referred to, and accept any suitable offer of employment.  If they don't comply with these obligations, their benefits will be reduced in the first instance; then suspended, then cancelled.

"Currently, Work and Income case managers have, with few exceptions, only one option and that is to stop payments of a person's benefit altogether.
 
"This is a severe sanction, and has very significant effects on people's lives. Case managers have to think long and hard about whether they apply this sanction, especially to single people and those who have only part-time work obligations.

"Therefore, National is going to introduce a more graduated system of sanctions for people who do not comply with their work obligations. We will introduce at least one intermediate step which will be a reduction in benefit, before a full suspension.

"This step, or steps, will give Work and Income case managers more flexibility and additional tools to encourage beneficiaries to comply with their work obligations. Details of these graduated sanctions will take some working through, given the complexity of the benefit system.

"National also wants appropriate incentives in the benefit system so those on benefits actually want to work.  National will therefore make the benefit abatement regime more generous.

"Beneficiaries and their partners can currently earn up to $80 a week before their benefit is affected.  Above that level of earnings, benefits are reduced at the rate of 70 cents for every dollar earned, unless they are on the DPB or Invalids Benefit, in which case it is initially reduced at 30 cents in the dollar.

"Benefit abatement is a necessary part of the system, but the high marginal tax rates it creates are a disincentive for people to work even a few hours a week.  So, National will raise the earnings threshold and allow beneficiaries to earn up to $100 a week before their benefit begins to be abated."

National will also:

• Introduce more frequent reassessment during the first few months a person is on a sickness benefit.  Anyone on a sickness benefit continuously for 12 months will automatically be sent to a 'designated doctor' for a second opinion on their work prospects.
• Enshrine in legislation CPI adjustments to welfare benefits so they rise each year in line with inflation.  Currently this is only done by convention.
• Reject Labour's planned new benefit terminology.  Labour's pursuit of a 'single core benefit' has ended in a complete farce.
• Require the most frequent applicants for benefit advances to attend a budget advisory service at the Government's expense to get qualified, experienced, non-judgmental budgeting advice to help them manage their finances.  Those not attending will not be eligible for any further benefit advances.

"At a later date, National will announce policies on other aspects of the wider welfare system, including vulnerable children and families, child support, and the community and voluntary sector."


For background document go to: http://national.org.nz/files/2008/benefits_backgrounder.pdf


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#1 - linda gordon 2008-08-11 15:51 - (Reply)

My keys, I think you would be better of providing for those mothers to gain qualifications. Therefore they would be able to take care of their family with a decent job. Thereby new zealand would get out of the cycle of deprivation.

#1.1 - Neil Woodward 2008-08-12 08:19 - (Reply)

Why should the taxpayer have to pay for this group to get qualifications? Surely all mothers should be provided for in a similar manner, not just those who make really bad life decisions and then expect to be funded by others.

#1.2 - Rache 2010-03-23 19:26 - (Reply)

I had a daughter at the age of 16. My parents would not allow me to go on the benefit so I had to go back to school, then I had to work for my allowance like everyone else at University. I now have a Dip, BA and Post grad. P.S - I paid for most of this myself by working in the hospitality industry. Thank god my parents did that for me as I have not become a reliant, co-dependant, useless and hopeless, taking member of society... The benefit system is corrupt! I remember loads of girlfriends of mine at high school that purposely had babies at the time so they could get the benefit, therefore not having to finish school or having to work. They thought it was cute and fun! They also got the perks when they studied, usually changing their minds every year as they had the luxury of failing and then choosing another course of study that made them look useful! Note. This was all paid for by the tax payer! Also the more babies the more money they got i.e. Have a baby = $ from the government + more babies = way more $ from the government. That's probably the only maths they wanted to learn from school. You can get the same amount from the DPB as you can from a full-time job. I worked out that with my qualifications - r.e - a (Dip. BA and post grad). That with just the one child I can get the same amount per year if I apply for other benefit support i.e. Acommodation supplements and other. An example of how reliant we are on the system: I was phoned 2 weeks before election time by Labour - telling me I could apply for extra support as I had a child, and even pushing benefits on me for my daughter such as the sickness or invalids benefits!- Giving me info on how to apply - telling me Labour would give these to me if... This put me off Labour as I knew they were using this as a corrupt tactic to get votes. How bad is that! The benefit system is ruining NZ. It's far too easy to rip off the system and it's been like that for far too long!!!

#1.2.1 - Manpreet Singh 2010-08-09 22:27 - (Reply)

I can see where your coming from but i'm only young and i'm on a Invalid Benefit from the result of brain surgery. I cant' do much labour work as i have a pipe in my head and i can't even study full time without my head playing up but i am trying to do part time. there is no way anyone in my position or with a disorder like mine could ever be expected to do a labour job for 40 hours to feed themselves. I have always been one of those kids that people expected me to go to Uni and i'm still trying to achieve that . . I 100 pernt back you up on the corruption of young woman having kids on purpose to get the DPB i've watched my aunty do it for years and i can't stand it. But the point i'm making is please give people like me with disabilities and or illness some needed support because some of us desperatly need it more

#2 - Alice Smith 2008-08-11 21:12 - (Reply)

I agree totally with this policy but have one question. How do you ensure that this does not incentivise those on the DPB to continue having children to ensure they always have a child under the age of 6?

#3 - Neil Woodward 2008-08-12 08:12 - (Reply)

Wow, you have opened a can of worms here John, fancy expecting people to have to uphold their end of the social responsibility system! The focus of the socialists will now be on you depriving children of a good upbringing, it is a pity that they refuse to see that having your hand out permanently reduces self esteem rather than increasing it. The big focus of your campaign, and indeed your policy once you are in Government, has to be to return the country to self responsibility, rather than having an expectation that someone (usually nanny state) will back up every bad decision we choose to make. Once we own our own mistakes, we can also own our own successes - to everyone's benefit.

#4 - Nick Koirala said:
2008-08-12 10:26 - (Reply)

I agree with Linda that training is a much better focus than forcing people to work 15 hours a week. A small part time job is not a useful step back into the work force as the majority of this work will be low paid, and unskilled. Also what if the solo parent on the DPB DOESN'T work the 15 hours a week? Its clear they have a young family, are you going to cut benefits further causing increased suffering and poverty for these children? Are you going to take the children off them and pay someone else to raise them? I don't see how forced unskilled part time work to maintain a benefit helps anyone out of poverty. There are always going to be people that are resistant to getting back into work, as a small business owner I'd much rather employ people that are motivated to work and have the skills to earn a decent wage. In my experience people are motivated to work by having a job they are passionate about and a wage that improves their situation. Being forced to work will in many cases increase reluctance to take further steps into the work force. Isn't is better to have one person on a benefit and one person working a fulfilling, higher wage job, than have two people working part time jobs and both collecting a benefits? Training, budgeting advice and career support are all far more important than working an arbitrary number of hours in an arbitrary job or risk being starving and destitute. Sickness beneficiaries already need to undergo regular assessments to determine their ability to work. You need to balance 'more frequent asssesment' with harrasment of the individual, cost of these assesments vs the benefits of taking people of sickness benefits sooner.

#5 - Dr Vinod Lal 2008-08-12 11:22 - (Reply)

I agree with abovepolicy but i think to get onto benefit should be made more tougher,especially for working class people.As a doctor i have seen many patients who donot at all qualify for sick benefit are on benefit.according to my calculation of 1000 patients 70%-80% didnot meet the crieteria for benefit and these people were absolutly fit for work. Very few doctors should be given authority to sign benefit forms and there should be audit procedures inplace if one doctoris signing too many forms. Especiallly in South Auckland to maintain patients in in a clinic , free signing of benefits forms are taking place.Also if one doctor asseses patient as fit to work ,2nd opanion should be sought from panel of doctors if the patient concern thinks he or she cant work because of sickness,not just another doctor signing as unfit to work. DPB infact should be scrapped.Also if not than if another child is born no benefit should be paid. How can one explain if working parent can maitain wellbeing of their child why one should be on full benefit to do so? Iam not at all happy if my tax goes to people who are just lazy to work and they abuse our system

#6 - Kim New 2008-08-12 15:35 - (Reply)

Business including Government Departments will need to be encouraged to offer more job sharing positions because there aren't many part time jobs around. I see many jobs I'd like to apply for but when I enquire about job sharing they aren't interested probably because it costs more to administer. I suspect that in reality these women will be forced to work full time which isn't good for the children. I'm not on a benefit by the way and have been fortunate to afford to stay "at home" to raise a family and assist very elderly relatives stay in their own homes. I agree basically with the new Benefits Policy and think that most young women would welcome the opportunity to be offered assistance to get back into the work force. The thing to do though if at all possible is to discourage them from going on and on having children in a disadvantaged situation; that is a big ask!

#7 - Ben 2008-08-13 00:29 - (Reply)

John Key is right - working and being honest is far better than languishing on the benny going nowhere. I'm a Massey student who is on a benefit and I want to work, I aspire for nothing less than to get out and stand on my own two feet as John says. In getting people off the benny and into work we have to a) ensure that work is THERE and that b) the system supports them in doing so. Lots of people I know on the dole or DPB are pulling some sort of scam on WINZ or the IRD because it's not worth being honest because they'll loose more than they gain. By being honest with WINZ and telling them "hey I got a flatmate in" or "yeah I'm working graveyards at servo so I can pay the bills and be there to give the register to the P freaks when they rob the place" you get sh*t on and loose more than you get in a monetary sense so don't tell WINZ what they don't need to know. I've seen family members get a job and come off the benefit - it has done wonders for them so John is right in that you need to get people out and into work, but, I just hope if National gets in that they adopt a fair system that a) helps people get a job and b) rewards them for doing so.

#8 - S Wanty 2008-08-25 04:51 - (Reply)

1).Regards sole parent beneficiaries......WINZ currently cautions women considering going off benefits and get part time work and claim Family Support and Child Support through IRD that they should remain registered beneficiaries through WINZ as many of the paying fathers then suspend or stop payments... ie a woman cannot rely on actually receiving govt assessed payments from the father. . 2).I think the govt should be collecting CS monies owed by absent parents before further penalising the abandoned families. Many fathers have rental properties or businesses that reduce their taxable incomes on paper..(.yet they have substantial cashflow ) and pay little CS....the children on benefits are effectively subsidising their fathers' healthy lifestyles. Proper admistrating of CS would instantly assist a move away from benefits. . 3).Accommodation supplements that beneficiaries receive (if eligible) are actually straight govt payments to landlords.

#9 - Gloria McAlesse 2008-08-26 06:29 - (Reply)

off the cuff comments Apologies for hyjacking the subject but I am fed up with National not captalising on situations. Take the secret taping of the National Party Conference for instance, National should have condemned Labour for condoning the taping by not speaking out against it, and asked what such dirty tactics say about those responsible and the limits they are prepared to go to. Labour questions whether National is trust worthy, to me the question should be turned around, what is Labour prepared to do to stay in power? Another thing, I think National needs to up it's recognition of Maori, and Te Reo to build a better with the growing middle class successful Maori. I haven't seen anything from National that would appeal specifically to Maori yet.

#10 - k h 2009-11-27 12:42 - (Reply)

Support people who are studying more with better university (student) allowances and more help for people studying to entice people on benefits to go into study to upskill and get a better job rather than sitting on the benefit with a measly part time job which is hopeless.

#11 - Storm 2010-03-24 16:48 - (Reply)

A True Story of a SoloParent..I am 32,I contracted Hepatitus B at 13 from a Government approved Cross Vaccination of Hepatits/Rebella Programe administerd at a Intermediate in Henderson Auckland,now at 32 i see it as an organised administration to disable an experiment on a generation that i dont want to sit in silence an suffer over unheard of anymore,at 16 i suffered Spontaneous Panic Anxiety in any Public Office or Corporate Spaces, at 32 they have worsend to any time any hour any day, along with heart Palpitaions an occassionally at worse anaphilaxis similar to that of a stroke sensation.I Live an Rent the cheapest One Bedroom flat i could find an afford with 3 children 22mnths, 10yr old, 14yr old they sleep on fold out couches in the lounge,They suffer from Bad Exzema breathing an Wheat allergies as a result of my Vaccine,i fear winter as we cannot afford to buy or run a dehumidfier, we walk everywhere an always hav, we spend $10 on gas when we put gas in the car which we use only on rainey, cold days to get to school or in emergencies, i was 30 when i brought my first car with all the savings i had for $800, i was 32 when i owned my first $100 secondhand Bed, $30 Desk an Couch, i stll dont have clothing draws.We buy mostly from The Salvation shop, I only buy goods that are on special, over the years i learnt pak save is too expensive at $80, i spend $60 at most including cleaners at Foodtown now Countdown, i cannot afford a Mop yet at $14 so i use a cloth an hand clean on all fours, i hav just been able to afford new Teatowels today, 7 for $6.45, I improvise where ever i can, dishwash liquid for toilet cleaner, Bleach Baking soda Vinegar for Spray Cleaner an Sanitiser. I spend $12 on Vegetables an cannot afford meat so we dont eat it. The remaining money is spent on Rent Power Water. I have no savings an we have never travelled overseas, we canot afford Passports, i havent travelled out of Auckland for over Ten Years, we dont hav Holidays. At 31yrs old, a week after i gave birth to my son, i learnt that theres such thing as life insurance, which i realise i cannot afford, i worry for my children, although im lucky as i only have $77Debt, after i caught a Flesh Eating Virus from Wave Spa Pools in Auckland whilst taking my children Swimming during school holidays that i almost died from and left a hole the size of a base ball on the right side of my heart that has taken almost 2yrs to Heal from. I never drink Alcohol its expensive an makes me very unwell anyway, or take any Drugs or smoke Ciggarettes like most people think Benificeries do, i need to be as well as i can to take good care of my beautiful children,life can be short enough as it is. My children an i wish that we could own our own Home so that we wouldnt have to move every year an be ripped off our Bond money which is always over $1200 these days,every time,over Carpet Stains or Landlords that never lodged the bonds in the first place an spent it the moment it goes into their accounts, I wish i was strong an healthy enough to take action through legal claim to Fight for Bonds with the Tribunal to stand up against Injustices rightfully owed, Is there help for those that need help in these areas? we wish there was better help to find an own a Home, then mayby i could hold a stabil job if any one would accept a Hepatitis carrier that has panic attacts now an then. I would love a job, i have excellent skills that would be very helpfull in the right places, I agree Change is progress..but is Income support cracking down on the wrong sector of welfare? Or taking good care of the right sectors, Is Income NZ aware of the excessive use of NZ welfare prosperously given away daily too long lines of fresh passport bearing immigrants that daily cue up for assissance? Why do they have nice Cars, Furniture an Homes, when my children an i were born here an lived here all our life without those things, Are Solo parents really well informed or aware of welfare intitilements, Because i wasnt, yet alone have the courage to ask for fear of benfit cancellation" Is there assisstance in Stabil Housing an Accomodation that solidifies punctual daily habits an routines to better assist Stabil Jobs in the workforce, rather than 1yearly family Shifting unstabil Rental Scarcity? Will their be an increase in Childbirths for benifet co dependacy increasing Scarcity? What are the affects on aged parents recovering from illness forced to return to work under pressure? Will that have an early Grave effect? Is that what the government wants? Is NZ a Fear Based Society? I suggest a Paton on the thesis that a Bill should be passed Recognising Qualification for people that deserve National Accredited Certification in Home Ecconomics an Sociology for all those long term Benificeries deemed worthy of decent behaviuor which whom constantly is questioned, debated an accused as "Bludgers!" Mayby the Government might offer Solutions an improve Housing concerns, Health issues, Self-Value, Self-Worth, an Self-Esteem required for educative Skilled work transitioning,Therfore allowing NewZealanders to Happily an productively contribute within the workforce Creating a Compassionate Decent an Honoureable NZ society.As a National Voter, i entrust Their good Values.

#12 - Rache 2010-03-24 18:52 - (Reply)

My father served in Vietnam... (I'm a 'agent orange child' and as a result my sister had a brain aneurysm which left her paralized for life and I have acute psoriasis all over my body and like you I sufffered anxiety/panic attacks for many years to the point where I had to go on heavy drugs like zanax and beta-blockers whilst at uni for 5 years. This didn't stop me trying to set myself up as - I'm not going to be 'bludger' on the system and I never will be (my parents would have looked down on me if I had chosen an option like the benefit). Ok, my father comes from old school and was very hard on us as kids as he did fight in Vietnam and he then went into the police force, but THANK GOD HE WAS HARD ON US!!! I'm very proud of myself now and it's made me proud to be a working class kiwi and a survivor. The benefit system is a crux for all those too lazy too work! I've had to do everything from picking fruit to cleaning hotels, even when I was qualified with a BA and post-grad when I couldn't find any work...I just wish the beneficiaries would [edited] finally get a blimen job! John Key needs to get even tougher!

#13 - T.Pol 2010-03-25 03:56 - (Reply)

I don't think anyone should be "Rewarded" for getting a job. It is a reality that in order to make money you must find a job. beneficaries are made up of small percentage of people who are cheating a system, but a large majority of people just like ourselves that are genuinely falling on tough times. At any stage we could be next ones in the dole queque. I agree that a small percentage of the population are cheating the system. But the reality is any system that can be cheated...will be cheated by someone. And Im not just talking about the welfare system. I have paid tax and I have also been on the unemploment benefit for two months my concern is that New Zealanders are allowing the state to have "too much control" and actually putting themselves and others at risk. At this very moment, Lets not forget that unemployment beneficaries cannot refuse a resonable job or course offered to them by a WINZ officer at present. if the job/course is turned down the benefit will be suspended for 14 weeks. Beneficiaries cannot leave a job or they will face a 16 week suspension of the benefit. Why am I concered? Last year I was on the unemployment benefit for two months, I was looking after my Grandfather after his hip repalcement surgery. I was in a very rural town, where the jobs where basically non exsistant. My WINZ officer offered what he believed to be a resonable job. Fruit Picking 3 hours away from my home (6 hours there and back.) i was happy to do it but I later found out that I would be the only female out of 37 males. i told the WINZ Officer I was not comfortable carpooling with so many males (due to childhood trauma), he told me to get my 82 year old Grandfather to drop me and pick me up. I was not at all comfortable with the job or the fact I was the only female, and flat out refused to do it and asked him for a different job. My benfit was suspended for two weeks because of it.i was made to feel like a piece of crap. It was the most humiliating experience, if i do not do what they want to, I get punshied. (by all means if john keys is happy to ship his young daughter of with 37 male strangers to pick fruit in the middle of nowhere, I will happily follow suit. but until such a day I would like to maintainthe right to choose. My job, my doctor, my education) After a review of desicion was made, two weeks later my benefit of $152.00 was re instated. The case manager was changed and she offered a job as a waitress/cashier at a Restaurant for minimum wage. my hours where 8.30am to 1.30pm then 4.30pm to 10.30pm.Even though i voiced concerns about the lack of transportation at 11pm at night, and problems with getting home. I could not rely on anyone to pick me up. I FELT PRESSURED TO TAKE IT and would walk 2 hours before i reached home.. As i could not afford to lose my benefit. Anyway at the new job, The owner would allow illegal overstayers to bunk down in his restaurant kitchen around 9 pm. I did not feel comfortable with the situation. I returned to WINZ to plead my case. I was told that if i leave that job leave my benefit would be suspended. I was not until I threated to show photos of the job that the WINZ officer and WINZ Manager came out and agreed to realese me from the restaurant job. There is no definition of what a resonable offer is. What is a resonable offer? Had I not had the support of my grandfather at the time then, i would of put my self in a very arkward and uncomfortable position and stayed in an unhealthy enviroment in the fear i would not recieve money to live on. How can John Key Ensure that that all resonable praticable steps will be taken in consideration when deciding on job prospects. What will the procedure for that desicion. New Zealand risk losing so many rights, the right to choose your own doctor. I believe that parents should met the finacial responsiblities for their children. I hope people realise that if beneficaries are placed on courses, they are responsible for paying that back, not the state. This means that they do not have the option to choose at times. now quite frankly it seems pethetic that WINZ can book you on a course at the discretion of the case manager. I know a mother of 2 boys under six who is currently in $90,000 in Student loan debt.Because she has been told by her case manager to study or find a job. DOCTORS DOCTORS DOCTORS If you are on the sickness benefit, the state can designate a doctors for me This just does'nt make sense. I don't understand, if my doctors says I cannot work, why would the state question the opinion of Qualified Doctor. Does that mean if I become sick next year with pregnancy or a womenly sickness they can order an examination with a strange doctor of the states choice? Will this be documented. For Example.


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